Forfeiture Berlusconi , now approves vote. Knight infuriatedSeven votes in favor and six against, the decisive choice of Lanzillotta ( Sc ): "There will be a vote on the person, but the status of the Parliamentary Assembly ." The PDL threatens " consequences " on the government. Even the government on the barricades . Alfano : "Battle in Parliament." Quagliariello : "Rubbish , but the Knight would also outside the lawless Severino "Editors of The Daily | October 30, 2013Comments ( 4677 )Silvio Berlusconi
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The final vote on the revocation of Silvio Berlusconi senator will almost certainly with a ballot. Yet another blow to the Knight launched which still continues to resist , three months after the judgment of the Supreme Court that made the final sentence of four years for tax evasion. Now the battle is all about the timing, because the PDL has, however, other cards to lengthen the stock and find excuses to postpone the "battle " at the end . But Berlusconi is furious . The PDL has breathed new winds of crisis , even if the doves , innovators, government (ie those that have forced the Knight and the hawks in the confidence vote in early October after trying in vain to withdraw ministers ) fearlessly defend the their leader, but they keep separate the issue of support to the government Letta. " We will fight in Parliament," said the deputy prime minister Angelino Alfano after the vote of the board for the settlement , after which Berlusconi went on the rampage with expressions such as " vote squads " ( Rotondi) , "brutal violence to civilization " ( Malan) , " crap " ( Quagliariello ) . "There will be political consequences " threat Matteoli.
The council for the regulation of the Senate , therefore , chaired by Piero Grasso , after two days of sessions and fierce clashes between PD and PDL , choose an open vote on the revocation by Senator Silvio Berlusconi. Votes in favor were 7 , 6 those opposed . In favor of the Democratic Party have spoken , M5s , Sel and Choice Civic , while the secret ballot have expressed PDL, League , Major Autonomy and Freedom and SVP . The opinion released by the junta says two things . First of all when you have to decide on the revocation of a senator for ineligibility occurred ( in the case provided for by law Severino Berlusconi) the vote should always be obvious. Second, that it is not a vote on the person (for which you would need the secret ballot ), but on the integrity of the plenum of the Upper House . Therefore you must be "public" . The balance of power was Linda Lanzillotta , Senator of Choice Gallery. South Tyrolean People's Party Senator Karl Zeller has actually preserved the point: " The Rules of the Senate included the secret ballot and I respect the rules, no matter who the person concerned . I voted according to my conscience - declares the end from Alto Adige - and I believe that today's vote will be read by the PDL as a provocation that reconvening of fact ' hawks and doves ' putting at risk the estate of Palazzo Chigi . "
At the news of the decision taken by the Executive after almost 4 hours of meeting , Berlusconi goes on a rampage , so that cancels a lunch date with his party's ministers and parliamentarians pidiellini climb the barricades. From Alfano that gives way to a barrage of statements all times to announce battle in Parliament. Anna Maria Bernini, rapporteur of the case in Committee , speaks of " a monster constitutional " and " barbaric ordeal " against the leader of the PDL. The other members of the Board, Donato Bruno and Francesco Nitto Palma , attacking the Democratic Party with his head down . According to the first it is a " very serious tear and a dangerous precedent " because the political majorities change. While the second asks how anyone can stand still in government with the Democratic And this is the key on which you insist more. Renato Schifani Maurizio Gasparri , all asking for " adequate response " to a force so great.
The vote on the decline that many expect to mid-November ( a month after the first vote in council elections ), although you will have to reconvene a Conference of Group Leaders to decide on the date ( M5S insists on November 5) , does not bode well for the health of the government. If it is true , indeed, that , in the case of " rescue " of the former President of the Council through a secret ballot , the executive would be at risk , it is equally true that the Falcons could carry around this time the doves on the road of no confidence in read for what the Democratic Party is already being called " retaliation" . And in this case, things could go badly for Letta . Unless you look , from the Hill will not face another "miracle" to restore peace . Or it points to a new majority . Maybe one that is welded to the Executive, if only to make electoral reform.


THE CHRONICLE NOW FOR NOW
20:14 - Schifani : " Maneuver of the Democratic Party to go to the polls ""It ' been made a serious tear of parliamentary rules against Silvio Berlusconi. A norm on a secret ballot for its decline has been changed to blows with a simple majority opinion. The truth is that the Democratic Party wants to blow up this alliance to go to vote. If you take responsibility in front of Italians . " I told Tg1 the chairman of the Senate of the PDL, Renato Schifani .
18.21 - Fioroni : " Likely to be yet another gift to Berlusconi "The open vote is likely to be " yet another gift to those who shout the execution policy and to the victim by virtue of a vote that, even if the secret would have the same outcome because it is the respect of the laws and rules ." He says the deputy of the Democratic Party Beppe Fioroni.
18:07 - Alfano, now battle in Parliament"The decision to Sc and Pd sostenereil open vote with M5S is the violation of the principle of civilization that rule , for decades , the vote on the individual and their individual rights . And now , first in Parliament , where he has consumed the abuse of power , will battle for the right to restore democracy. " So Angelino Alfano.
17:58 - Bondi : "They treat us so well ""If a majority comprising the PDL had imposed a reversal of the Regulation on the eve of the parliamentary vote on a leader of the left , the squares would be in flames and institutions would be under siege. And we do instead ? We simply beautiful facade statements , more or less heard. Probably - I repeat it a second time - they're right to treat us like this, because we do not show any genuine political faith and no real conviction. " This was stated in a note Sandro Bondi, the PDL.
17.14 - Lorenzin " very grave decision , overturned the rules"I express my closeness to President Berlusconi . The choice of an open vote in the Senate is serious and means to have subverted the rules for the protection of parliamentary prerogatives with contra personam action that is unprecedented ", said Health Minister Beatrice Lorenzin . " This shows - he adds - the splits within the Democratic Party .''
16:40 - Round (PDL) : " From the Senate and the Democratic Party vote squads "" Those are not even most of the Democratic Party Communists : the Communist Party never would have changed the rules for hunt by political opponent. By the Senate today is an act squads . " So in a statement the Parliamentary Assembly of the PDL, Gianfranco Rotondi.
16:31 - Casson (Pd) : "With Schifani president of Lusi , the vote was clear ""With reference to the violent attacks made by many members of the PDL is good to clarify that the Government of the Senate has simply applied the Regulation thus conforming to the Rules of the Chamber of Deputies and for the disqualification of a parliamentary already provides for the vote, it is a vote Parliament to safeguard a clean and transparent and not a person . Even the practice of the Senate ( the Andreotti case of 1993 to the most recent in 2012) confirms this interpretation . " He explains Senator Felice Casson , the Democratic Party vice-president of the Committee for Justice .
16.25 - Tavern ( M5S ) : " Now the conference of leaders to fix the date of the vote ." "Every time I will ask the president of the Senate to hold a grease leaders " to fix the day of the classroom on the decadence of Silvio Berlusconi as a senator . He says Paola Taverna parent M5S the Senate. " I'll do it every now - assurance even at midnight , I am ready to put the alarm for the night."
16:19 - Quagliariello : " Decision serious , crap ." " The junta's decision today is very serious, very serious , careful because the principle of parliamentarism whereby when there is a vote that concerns people is the moment in which the use of the secret ballot should be possible." So SkyTg24 Minister for Reforms Quagliariello , which defines the decision on secret vote " crap " and recalls the previous Lusi . But then he adds significantly : "We must not lose it : the decline of Berlusconi depends on a judgment that it is unjust , but not by the law Severino . To invalidate Berlusconi is the corollary of that judgment . It is not that if the vote on the law Severino not there, Berlusconi remains in Parliament. "
15.59 - Cicchitto brakes : "Part of the Democratic Party wants election, PDL there helmets ." " You are quite right Senator Maurizio Sacconi, it is clear that the incredible force of the open vote is put in place by that part of the Democratic Party that wants to topple the government to go for early elections being sure of victory. The last thing that the PDL can do, while condemning this abuse of power , is to fall into a trap of this kind. " So Fabrizio Cicchitto brakes compared to the statements of the Falcons against the government of the PDL Letta.
15.01 - Cricket: " Vote obvious , vote 5 stars ." " Vote obvious , vote 5 stars ." So Beppe Grillo said in a tweet to warm the go-ahead to the proposal of the Board of Rules M5S on an open vote for the forfeiture of Silvio Berlusconi as a parliamentarian .

14.56 - Epifani (Pd) : "Enough controversy, applies the law." " Just controversies that go beyond all limits. The law Severino is a perfectly constitutional law that should be applied , as was the case in the previous thirty-seven cases . It is therefore to lower the tone and remember that justice must be equal for all. " Thus, the national secretary of the Democratic Party , Guglielmo Epifani .
14.40 - Santanchè challenge the " government " PDL " False stability." Chronicle of a murder annunciato.Oggi the Senate was killed democracy. How can anyone still support them in the name of false stability that this government serve the country ? What's more important for a people if not democracy and the rule of law? That our ' government we explain it . " This was stated by Daniela Santanchè the PDL.
14.22 - Bernini (PDL) : "Unable to continue to support Letta ." " The junta has given birth to a monster constitutional against Silvio Berlusconi ," said Senator PDL Anna Maria Bernini. "It 's unthinkable that we give our votes to support the government which is part of a party , the Democratic Party , who wants to decapitate our leader Berlusconi, " he said. "It ' a situation of unprecedented severity , it will draw the consequences."

 14.07 - Schifani : "Page dark ." It threatens " consequences." " A dark page to parliamentary rules ," is the comment of the hot- PDL group leader in the Senate, Renato Schifani . " The Board , by a majority vote and with a deliberately political , violated the rules surreptitiously , with the grave responsibility of the president of the Senate, to allow the Democratic Party and other forces to impose their senators a vote against the leader of the center . The whole day , "he concludes , can not fail to have consequences . We will give concrete answers with the utmost determination. "
13.48 - The Board approves the vote. The junta to the Rules of the Senate gave the green light to an open vote in the Senate with regard to revocation by Senator Silvio Berlusconi. Seven votes in favor , six against.
13.31 - Arrived at work on the text to vote . But will " loophole " for a secret ballot . The council for the regulation is working to prepare the device to be put to the vote. The orientation , refer some participants , is to narrow the field to decay by one senator from Berlusconi, because the vote on the decline is considered to vote but not to the person to the status of parliament. However, the question differently and dell'ineleggibilità dell'incandidabilità that touches precisely the person , and according to the rules of Palazzo Madama requires a secret ballot . But at the time of discussion in the classroom you can still submit an order of the day , signed by at least 20 senators and motivated , which will require instead the silence of the urn. In that case the president Pietro Grasso, the judgment would call dell'asseblea the request.
13:09 - Lanzillotta : " You do not need a secret ballot " - " What about the decadence of Berlusconi will not be a vote on the person, but on his status as a parliamentarian . Therefore you will not need the secret ballot . " The said Linda Lanzillotta (Sc) in a break in the work of the Council for the Regulation. "I do not reinterpret regulation because it is the first time you apply the law Severino ."
12:46 - After meeting the junta for a regulation - E ' finished the meeting of the Committee on the Rules of the Senate.
12:24 - Giarrusso : " It gives you time to Berlusconi, behind Napolitano 's " - " It ' a problem not only Berlusconi but who wants to give it time. We fear that behind us is the direction of the President of the Republic , "he told Adnkronos Mario Michele Giarrusso , Senator M5S member of the Committee on Elections and immunities . For Senator grillino , " Napolitano was wrong in 2010 , handing over the country to send us to the mountains instead of voting , and continues to persevere in giving time for Berlusconi to keep alive the government" Letta. In fact, according Giarrusso , the Head of State " is not doing so keeps alive the executive, but the mud flows into our country."
12.20 - President spoke Grasso, then the vote - Beats for the final session of the Council for the Regulation convened to decide on an open vote for the forfeiture of the parliamentary mandate of Silvio Berlusconi. According to reports from some members of the Council , acting now would be the Democratic Party Senator Franco Russo . Then comes the turn of Linda Lanzillotta ( Sc ), which now has already said yes to his vote, then it's up to the president of the Senate and the Executive Piero Grasso conclude . After the intervention of fat you should go to vote, and if the predictions made so far will be confirmed the decision to vote with ballot would increase by 7 votes in favor and 6 against . Fat, as president , to practice not vote.
12.19 - Berlusconi vote will be timetabled at the end of the Junta - The vote in the Senate on the forfeiture of parliamentary Silvio Berlusconi will be timetabled at the end of today's meeting of the Council for the Regulation. And 'what is learned from parliamentary sources . According to relate to the same sources , the president of Palazzo Madama Pietro Grasso would be asked to convene a conference of leaders when he untied the knot of the vote. The vote could be timetabled between 4 and 15 November .
12.00 - Galatians (PDL) : " Unacceptable change the rules in the course " - " Unacceptable change in racing rules of the game . It is possible that the House of the Senate, through the decisions of the Board, we express in an arbitrary manner , with the deciding vote on blatant decadence of Silvio Berlusconi. " It 'as said the deputy of the PDL, Giuseppe Galati .
11.28 - Civati ​​: "I'm so out of the choice of the secret ballot " - " Unlike my party so I can not see out of the world the secret ballot ." He said Joseph Civati ​​intervening in Omnibus on LA7 about to vote on the revocation of Silvio Berlusconi. "And this is another thing that sets me apart from my management team ," said the candidate in the primaries for the leadership of the Democratic Party.
10.53 - Casson : "Berlusconi will decay with the votes of the PDL " - " In my opinion, Berlusconi will be revoked with an open vote with the vote is secret." Thus, Felice Casson , a senator of the Democratic Party this morning on Radio Città Futura . " This will happen for different reasons - added Casson - because we know that the secret of the urn a number of PDL senators will vote against Berlusconi anyway ." And "the government will not fall because there are dozens of senators, the former PDL or PDL , which will support it ."
10.49 - Live online M5S ago the Executive. The Network : "It ' a mistake." He pauses - Maurizio Buccarella , a member of the 5 Star Movement in the bargain of the Regulations was engaged in the chronicle of the work of the same parliamentary body , but the operation of the grillino does not seem to please the people of the network : " Avoid write on Facebook or Twitter, may find some excuse to postpone . " And ' in fact still alive the memory of what happened during the council elections , met in joint session, when senators Vito Crimi and Michael Giarrusso had shared what was happening in the council chamber . The risk was to invalidate the session. Called by the chairman Grasso, Buccarella then suspended the direct
10:41 - Board to vote. Lanzillotta towards yes - The council for the regulation of the Senate would be directing for the open vote on the revocation of Silvio Berlusconi as a parliamentarian . According to reports by the members of the Board, Linda Lanzillotta would have confirmed his yes to the ballot and therefore the decision should go in this direction. Until yesterday, in fact, the result was a draw : 6 for the secret ballot ( PDL, Alloy, Psi - Gal and Autonomy , ed), and the same for the open vote (Pd , M5S and Sel ) . With the uncertainty of Lanzillotta confirmed that he had to postpone the decision on his position after hearing the reports of Anna Maria Bernini (PDL) and Francesco Russo (Pd) . What we learn of Senator Sc would be oriented to vote for the obvious.
10:38 - Polverini : " Unacceptable without government support Berlusconi " - "If the Democratic Party expelled from the Senate 's our leader , it would be unacceptable for us to support a government without Berlusconi ," said Renata Polverini intervening in the program " Buzz to Adinolfi " broadcast on Radio ies.
10:38 - Sisto : " The decline is murder in the family" - "It ' a provocation to put anudo a murder in a family that should go along." So in "Radio Capital" Francesco Paolo Sisto ( PDL ), chairman of the House Committee on Constitutional Affairs
10:37 - Buccarella ( M5S ) is live on Facebook junta - Senator Movement 5 Stars Maurizio Buccarella , is posting on Facebook a story live on what is happening in the Committee on the Rules of the Senate. According to his account have spoken until now Roberto Calderoni , Francesco Nitto Palma , Loredana De Petris and Ferrara (Gal ) . Buccarella yesterday had told on the web the work of the council led by the President of the Senate, Pietro Grasso .
9:42 - Palma (PDL) in La Stampa: " At the risk stable government" - Times " will be determined by the majority of those policies : they can vote for the decline in the House, but then it is clear who undermines stability. If it is a political vote , no one should complain of the consequences , "said the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee Nitto Palma.
9.37 - Silvio Berlusconi will lunch at Palazzo Grazioli ministers of the PDL - This is confirmed by sources within the party . The appointment follows the one in the late evening yesterday with the political secretary Angelino Alfano. It is not excluded that the knight call to rally even the ' loyalists Raffaele Lease . Berlusconi, according to reports, is trying in every way indeed to unite the party before the vote on the Senate nell'aulad and forfeiture senator.
9.28 - Letta : "Responding to Berlusconi ? And ' vote in the October 2 " - The answer is contained in the confidence vote on 2 October : Parliament has given me the confidence by a large majority . The mainstay of that speech was the necessary separation between government action and individual legal proceedings . " These are the words of the Prime Minister Enrico Letta Radio on Radio 1 too , responding to the request of Silvio Berlusconi of an intervention by the executive on the law Severino .
8.49 - Formigoni (PDL) : " Defense Berlusconi but not at the cost of hurting the country" - "We will defend the political freedom of Berlusconi in all ways and by all means , but not at the cost of doing harm to the country " . So Senator Roberto Formigoni the PDL interviewed Omnibus on LA7 about wing decadence of Berlusconi. "Do not we will make the foul reaction "
8:43 - Casson (Pd) : " Decadence neither administrative nor criminal " - " Decadence is not a criminal or administrative sanction : they've said many times , the Constitutional Court , the Court of Cassation and the Council of State . It ' a measure which concerns the right to be elected , which is limited according to the criteria of the law Severino . " He explains in an interview with Press the Democratic senator Felice Casson .
8:38 - Casini : " The secret ballot is a duty " - " Personally, I have no doubt secret ballot. I understand cricket , but Renzi and company singing a country that bends the rules to the conveniences it gives a very bad example of him , "said UDC leader Pier Ferdinando Casini